GovNavigators

GovNavigators is a government-focused show that won’t make you seasick. We hope to enlighten and enliven your week with news and insightful, entertaining guests all on the topic of government management.


  • Loren DeJonge Schulman, Associate Director of the Office of Performance and Personnel Management within the Office of Management and Budget, joins the GovNavigator show to reflect on her experiences in the federal government and celebrate…
    January 20, 2025
  • With January 20 approaching, Federal News Network Executive Editor Jason Miller joins the show to discuss DOGE and brings some much needed reality to the reported trillion-dollar cuts to the federal budget. He also shares…
    January 13, 2025
  • Charles Cooper, Founder and Managing Partner of the Brumidi Group, celebrated the new year with Robert and Adam by crafting significant predictions for 2025. His expert insights on the infamous Department of Government Efficiency and…
    January 6, 2025
  • GovNavigators co-founder Robert Shea joins host Mark Amtower on this week's Amtower Off Center for a very lively discussion on the upcoming presidential transition.
    December 19, 2024
  • Robert and Adam wrap up the year with a look back at the season’s podcast highlights, a dive into DOGE mania, and insights into what’s ahead for next year. Wishing you happy holidays! Show NotesGAO:…
    December 16, 2024
  • #FOGN Ann Dunkin joins the show shortly before departing the federal government after her second tour of duty running the IT shop of a major federal agency. Ann shares her reflections on the good, the…
    December 9, 2024
  • The Lacey Lewis #Era has begun at GovNavigators. Our first employee joins the show to talk about her background and Texas roots, interest in public policy, and spills the tea about her internship at OMB.…
    December 2, 2024
  • With the transition to the incoming Trump administration well under way (and somewhat behind schedule), Jim Cook, Strategic Engagement Executive and Chair of the Innovation Institute at ACT-IAC and Troy Schneider, Principal at TKS Strategies…
    November 25, 2024
  • The Program Integrity Alliance is a new nonprofit dedicated to strengthen integrity and data-driven fraud prevention in the U.S. for a more trustworthy, effective, and efficient government. Linda Miller and Gavin Ugale, co-founders of the…
    November 18, 2024
  • In this special pop-up episode of the GovNavigators Show, Robert and Adam recap an historic week with the release of an updated OMB Circular A-50 (and also the election again of Donald Trump). But most…
    November 11, 2024
  • Amira Boland, Chief of Staff at the New Practice Lab, and former OMB lead for Customer Experience joins the GovNavigators Show to reflect on her time in government, her tips for re-architecting a bureaucracy (don’t…
    November 4, 2024
  • Terry Gerton, President and CEO of the National Academy of Public Administration joins the GovNavigators Show to share groundbreaking research commissioned by NAPA about how to best communicate the value, results, and role of government…
    October 28, 2024
  • Jenny Mattingley, Vice President for Government Affairs at the Partnership for Public Service and former Executive Director of the PIC (among many other amazing roles) joins the GovNavigators Show to share more about her efforts…
    October 21, 2024
  • Dave Wennergren, CEO at the American Council for Technology – Industry Advisory Council (ACT-IAC) and the most cheerful gentleman we know joins the GovNavigators Show to give a preview of the upcoming Imagination ELC24 conference…
    October 14, 2024