GovNavigators

GovNavigators is a government-focused show that won’t make you seasick. We hope to enlighten and enliven your week with news and insightful, entertaining guests all on the topic of government management.


  • Defense Policy Luminary Peter Levine of the Defense Management Institute joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about his decades of work on Capitol Hill and in the belly of the beast attempting to reform and…
    June 3, 2024
  • The GovNavigators skip a guest this week and record a shorter pop up episode to honor the sacrifices of those who have given their lives in defense of the United States. Robert and Adam also…
    May 27, 2024
  • The GovNavigators get to the bottom of a standoff between OMB and GAO over the latest estimates of the size and scope of fraud in federal programs. Rebecca Shea at the GAO and FOGN Linda…
    May 20, 2024
  • Former Acting Secretary of the Army and Commissioner on the Planning, Programming, Budgeting, and Execution Reform Commission John Whitley joins the GovNavigators to talk about his career in government and the PPBE Commission's efforts to…
    May 13, 2024
  • We're kicking off Public Sector Recognition Week with the one and only Max Stier of the Partnership for Public Service. Max shares about his lifetime struggle to find other humans named Max, the potential threats…
    May 6, 2024
  • The Chief Inspector General of the State of Florida Melinda Miguel joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about the importance of collaboration, bringing accountability to state government, and her award-winning work creating a statewide center…
    April 29, 2024
  • Another #FOGN Doug Criscitello, Program Integrity Fellow at Arnold Ventures joins Adam and Robert on the GovNavigators Show to talk about a growing part of the federal government with big implication for almost every American:…
    April 22, 2024
  • Ever heard of the Office of Performance and Personnel Management (OPPM) at OMB? You have? Gold star for you! OPPM is an unheralded office, but one that has grown in size, scope, and importance. And…
    April 15, 2024
  • #FOGN Nick Hart joins the GovNavigators Show and brings a friend – Natalie Evans Harris – the new Vice President for External Engagement at the Data Foundation. Nick and Natalie talk about the expanding work…
    April 8, 2024
  • One of the leading candidates for Best Friend of GovNavigators status Katie Malague joins the GovNavigators Show for a second time.  Katie recently joined the Office of Personnel Management as its Chief Management Officer overseeing…
    April 1, 2024
  • This week, the GovNavigators are graced by evidence-based policymaking royalty! The Founder and President of the Coalition for Evidence-Based Policy Jon Baron joins to talk about how far evidence-based policymaking has come and what remains…
    March 25, 2024
  • The GovNavigators are joined this week by the smartest man in government – the Comptroller of the United States Gene Dodaro. Robert and Adam reflect on Gene's 50 (!) years of service at the General…
    March 18, 2024
  • Drew Friedman from Federal News Network checks in on the GovNavigators and talks about everything you'd want to know about Federal Executive Boards. Drew spent upwards of a year talking to FEB leaders around the…
    March 11, 2024
  • Sara Thomas and Holly Sydnor, #FOGN and Founders of All Women Leadership join the GovNavigators to talk about starting their #WOSB, favorite movie quotes, and innovative acquisition strategies they have employed to help improve outcomes…
    March 4, 2024