Each year, agency leaders scan the list of best places to work in the federal government with either anticipation or anxiety. If you’re at the top, you’ve got a great selling point for employees and recruits. But if you’re at the bottom, you’ve got hard work to do. Federal News Radio’s Emily Kopp was at the awards ceremony to speak with those who know what it’s like to be up and down. She shared those insights on the Federal Drive with Tom Temin. First, she spoke with Jeri Buchholz, the chief human capital officer at NASA, the large agency that tops the list.

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