Morale and engagement among managers and members of the Senior Executive Service are at a five-year low, according to the 2014 Federal Employee Viewpoint Survey. And more than half of federal employees at GS-14 and 15 tell Federal News Radio, they're not interested in joining the SES if they had the chance. But that's not the case for many rising leaders at the African-American Federal Executive Association's SES training workshop. Case in point: Shireen Dodson, the first full-time ombudsman at the State Department and a member of the SES. She tells Federal News Radio's Nicole Ogrysko there's still plenty of interest in joining the SES.